velofel we know that yeah you look guys if you lose 10 pounds if you lose 20 pounds with all this it's gonna come right back with your diet and do some cardio and sleep well yeah if you're gonna lose muscle just as a replacement therapy not even DHEA or DHT with that are derivatives of testosterone C in terms of metabolites of testosterone so I guess you cannot substitute anything we started you know we got another question exactly the same in a minute